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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2009, 08:56:50 PM »
ini kena rujuk kat Majlis Fatwa nih...

timbul keraguan dalam masalah yang berbangkit nih... nanti try tanya kat mufti or bekas2 mufti pasal benda nih...

Ini boleh dirujuk kepada Tn Sheikh Kamal al-Bogori atau Tn Sheikh Yamin al-Bekasi. Betul tak Zoez?

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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2009, 09:27:03 PM »
Bole tu bole bro,.... tapi pasal permasaalahan tu bersifat dalam negeri, lagi afedal kalu tanya dulu ularmak-ularmak tempatan seperti Sheikhkul Maliki Al-Arawi  >:D

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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2009, 08:46:09 AM »
Itu sheikh tak boleh pakai, dia pun betting giler.

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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2009, 09:17:08 AM »
pak ngah tak mau terlibat dalm kes ko org ni. sapa bagi fatwa tanpa tauliah, kena tangkap dek JAIS etc, suruh bini/laki masing2 pi jamin ok? jgn dok panggil sifu MFG ka, sapa ka.

And I can bet you, tanpa tauliah sure kena tangkap punya :D

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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2009, 10:29:26 AM »
apa la korang ni...tak abis2 dengan issue bet/betting....

kalau sesapa nak main golf untuk menang pitih...patutnya masuk Tour Pro...
bagi hamba, saya tak pernah panggil bet/betting...selalunya panggil "Incentive"...
Tujuannya adalah: Motivation untuk play better...bukan untuk meraihkan pitih tu...

kalau sesapa yang main Tour Pro-blem dengan saya, pool money akan ada agihannya...mengikut pencapaian masing masing...but everyone will receive the portion accordingly...
kita main golf untuk berkawan..bukan nak cari musuh...honesty and friendship...

errr....tapi kan...saya pun pernah terlibat dalam bet/betting ni...kalah pun buat cool je...nak buat camner...dah kalah...kalau masam muka pun, bukan dapat balik pitih tu...

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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2009, 11:20:20 AM »
ahman,

finally, Michelle Wie menang!!! (err, dia betting gak ka? :D)
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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2009, 11:25:17 AM »
Michelle Wie menang sebab ada side betting dengan I thru SMS hari tu...I dah cakap kat dia, kalau tak menang, don't put any hope to see me anymore... >:D >:D >:D

I dah larat jadi mentor dia Pak Ngah...cepat merajuk...
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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2009, 11:28:50 AM »

I dah larat jadi mentor dia Pak Ngah...cepat merajuk...

 :D :D :D
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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2009, 11:34:21 AM »

I dah larat jadi mentor dia Pak Ngah...cepat merajuk...

 :D :D :D

Sebenarnya nak cakap dah tak larat....

Kalau Pak Ngah sudi, ada kekosongan...tapi bukan untuk Michelle...but Charlie Wie....boleh?
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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2009, 01:36:21 PM »
its more to the wording of betting la....

bukan dalam golf ada skins play ke? every hole with a certain 'incentive'...
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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2009, 06:18:48 PM »
Hangpa nih... tak abih2 lagi ka.... aku tinggai tak bawak hangpa pi bogor lepaih ni baru padan muka hangpa aku

Izin kan hamba yg tak abis muqadam ini memberi pendapatan 2 sen hamba (bukan fatwa, tau PNgah).... silap benda ini ialah kerana terminology nyer jer.... mat salleh panggil "wager" bukan "betting"...."betting" lebih menjurus kepada benda yang kita takde control spt. kuda mana yg menang, atau nombor apa yang naik, etc etc. It is almost exclusively dependent on  the factors of "chance" or "randomness".

Tapi, dalam "wager" golf ni, dia bergantung lebih kpd "effort" "skills" "knowledge". Macam PakNgah, kalau dia "wager" dgn Kerawit ker, Sepool ker, tentunya PakNgah menang... kerana skill level golf dia lebih tinggi, pengetahuan dia tentang "spin rate" of golf balls lebih meluas, etc etc

So, tak ada factor "randomness" di dalam perkara ini, aside from the "normal level' of chance, yang berlaku in everyday life....

Sekian lah pendapatan saya.... Untuk rujukan lanjut bole juga dapatkan kitab tafsiran fiqah ularmak Sheikhkul Al-Maliki Al-Arawi (published 1943) di kedai-kedai mamak suratkhabar berdekatan rumah anda  ;D

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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2009, 10:42:38 PM »


 :D :D :D

Sebenarnya nak cakap dah tak larat....

Kalau Pak Ngah sudi, ada kekosongan...tapi bukan untuk Michelle...but Charlie Wie....boleh?

ahman, dari Charlie Wie, baik pak ngah bagi tution kat Paula Creamer :D
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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2009, 10:50:16 PM »
Hangpa nih... tak abih2 lagi ka.... aku tinggai tak bawak hangpa pi bogor lepaih ni baru padan muka hangpa aku

Izin kan hamba yg tak abis muqadam ini memberi pendapatan 2 sen hamba (bukan fatwa, tau PNgah).... silap benda ini ialah kerana terminology nyer jer.... mat salleh panggil "wager" bukan "betting"...."betting" lebih menjurus kepada benda yang kita takde control spt. kuda mana yg menang, atau nombor apa yang naik, etc etc. It is almost exclusively dependent on  the factors of "chance" or "randomness".

Tapi, dalam "wager" golf ni, dia bergantung lebih kpd "effort" "skills" "knowledge". Macam PakNgah, kalau dia "wager" dgn Kerawit ker, Sepool ker, tentunya PakNgah menang... kerana skill level golf dia lebih tinggi, pengetahuan dia tentang "spin rate" of golf balls lebih meluas, etc etc

So, tak ada factor "randomness" di dalam perkara ini, aside from the "normal level' of chance, yang berlaku in everyday life....

Sekian lah pendapatan saya.... Untuk rujukan lanjut bole juga dapatkan kitab tafsiran fiqah ularmak Sheikhkul Al-Maliki Al-Arawi (published 1943) di kedai-kedai mamak suratkhabar berdekatan rumah anda  ;D

thanks zoez, now barulah clear dan jelas. "wager" eh? sapa yg memandai bubuh nama "betting" ni ah? >:(

btw, jangankan kerawit, syaipol...dgn perosak juara arau tu pun pun pak ngah bulih tibai punya lah :D
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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2009, 09:23:30 AM »
tapi kan..kalau pi certain casino, depa pun ada pakai term "Wager" nih...camno???
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Re: Don't bet if...
« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2009, 05:15:16 PM »
tapi kan..kalau pi certain casino, depa pun ada pakai term "Wager" nih...camno???

casino mana ni Man? aku rasa owner casino tu pun dah kena tarbiah laa pasal the word betting nih.
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